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AW: ahmadiyya [B][U]Der Prophet Muhammad saws sagte:[/U][/B] »Meine Umma (Gemeinde) wird die gleichen Umstände durchlaufen, wie sie von den Bani Israel (den Juden) erlitten wurden. Die Bedingungen (unter denen die beiden lebten) werden so identisch miteinander sein, wie (zwei) Schuhe desselben Paares. Und zwar so sehr, dass dann, wenn jemand von den Bani Israel Unzucht mit seiner Mutter getrieben hat, es auch einen Unglücklichen aus meiner Umma geben wird, der das gleiche Verbrechen begeht. [B]Die Bani Israel waren in 72 Sekten zersplittert, und meine Umma wird in 73* Sekten gespalten sein, alle von ihnen, außer einer, werden in der Hölle sein[/B] … [Gefragt, welche diese gesegnete Gruppierung sein würde, sagte der Prophet:] [B][U]Die Gruppe, die mir und meiner Sunna (Praxis) folgt.[/U][/B]« (Tirmidhi, Kitab-ul Iman; Ibn Maja, Kitab-ul Fitn) *Anmerkung: Die Ahmadiyya fallen unter die 72, die in Jahannam landen werden.

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AW: ahmadiyya [QUOTE=SAMAYA;145602][B][U]Der Prophet Muhammad saws sagte:[/U][/B] »Meine Umma (Gemeinde) wird die gleichen Umstände durchlaufen, wie sie von den Bani Israel (den Juden) erlitten wurden. Die Bedingungen (unter denen die beiden lebten) werden so identisch miteinander sein, wie (zwei) Schuhe desselben Paares. Und zwar so sehr, dass dann, wenn jemand von den Bani Israel Unzucht mit seiner Mutter getrieben hat, es auch einen Unglücklichen aus meiner Umma geben wird, der das gleiche Verbrechen begeht. [B]Die Bani Israel waren in 72 Sekten zersplittert, und meine Umma wird in 73* Sekten gespalten sein, alle von ihnen, außer einer, werden in der Hölle sein[/B] … [Gefragt, welche diese gesegnete Gruppierung sein würde, sagte der Prophet:] [B][U]Die Gruppe, die mir und meiner Sunna (Praxis) folgt.[/U][/B]« (Tirmidhi, Kitab-ul Iman; Ibn Maja, Kitab-ul Fitn) *Anmerkung: Die Ahmadiyya fallen unter die 72, die in Jahannam landen werden.[/QUOTE] schön und gut und das mag auch stimmen, [B]nur vom Vorwurf der Annamima macht dich das auch nicht frei.:)[/B]

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AW: ahmadiyya Hier noch was Interessantes: [U] Anti Ahmadiyya Movement in Islam 5th June 1999[/U] Bismillahar-Rehmanar-Raheem Ahmadis in Israel Special Correspondent in Kababeer Dr. A. M. Odeh Kababeer, a small town on Mount Karmel in Haifa, Occupied Palestine in Israel, is the center of Ahmadiyya activities inside Israel. Established in 1928, 99% of the residents of this town belong to Ahmadiyya creed, whose ancestor, Mr. Abdul Qadir Odeh, was the first Palestinian to embrace Ahmadiyyat at the hand of an Ahmadiyya Missionary from India, Jalaluddin Shams, under the false impression that Mirza Ghulam is a reformer and a Mujaddid in Islam. Little did he know at the time that this reformer in Islam, had later claimed to have become a Promised Messiah and Prophet in his own right. Some 2000 members of this community belong to more or less to the same family. In recent years the numbers have been dwindling and currently they are estimated to be only around 850 Qadianis in Palestine. Qadiani Community occupies a special place in the Israeli/Western clandestine world. They have played a significant role as spies during and the 1st and 2nd world wars in the Middle Eastern Region. Full extent of their activities can be read from the articles under the heading of "Ahmadiyya Movement - British Jewish Connection" on my web site. It is worth remembering that Kababeer is strategically located on Mount Karmel, overlooking the Athleeth Harbour and it Naval Base and Ordinance factory on one side and the Haifa Harbour on the other. 99% population of this town is Palestinian Arab belonging to Qadiani community. Zionists have known to displace/eleminate Palestinians from areas of much less importance. The village of Dier Yaseen was wiped from the face of earth, killing all its inhabitants. (Crossroads to Israel by Christopher Sykes, Promise and Fulfilment by Arthur Koestler, The Other Exodus by Erskine Childerns) and yet the same Zionists continue to tolerate Qadianis residence at such an important place for obvious reasons. Jama'at Ahmadiyya publishes its arabic propaganda literature by the name of AlBushra, from this place for distribution among the Arab World. Even today Ahmadis play significant role in the Israeli administration. By taking advantage of their Palestinian origin, their muslim-sounding names and by the ignorance of people about the true nature of Ahmadiyya Movement, they play the role of fifth columnists among the Palestinian muslims, protecting the interest of their Masters. For instance: Musa Sarwar: The Incharge of Passport and ID Card section in the Ministry of Interior. Abdullah Asad: 'Raees Bait-ul-Tasaareekh' Incharge of the Dept which gives permission to build houses in Israel. No wonder Arab homes are every now and then being demolished. This man takes advantage of his Arab identity to inflitrate and perform his clandestine activities against arabs. Ibrahim Asad: During 60s to 80s he was the Mossad agent in Germany but was deported when he was exposed. Now he is 'Mufattish Fanni' Inspector of Schools for Arabs. In this capacity he controls the kind of education and research is being done in Arab Colleges and Universities inside Israel. He never allows such research which can elevate the Palestinians inside Israel. Jama'at Ahmadiyya has special links with the Zionist state. Ahmadiyya Headquarter play host to the Jewish Dignitaries from Israel. (Khatme Nabuwat Magazine Vol. 9. No. 5, P.8) During the crackdown on Arabs inside Israel, as soon as the ID cards show the place of residence is Kababeer, soldiers allow the bearer of the card to go free, saying: Let him go. This is our man. I (Dr. A Odeh) have been a born Ahmadi, an unfortunate event over which I had no control. I had been very active in various official capacities in the community - President Khuddamul Ahmadiyya, Member Majlis-e-Shoora, President of Stockholm Jamaat and finally President of Jamaat Ahmadiyya of Sweden, a post which I held till I denounced Mirza Ghulam A Qadiani and Ahmadiyyat in 1989. Fa AlHamdolillah 'ala zaalik. During my recent visit to Kababeer, I discovered some very startling things which I would like to share with my readers. Like anywhere else in the Ahmadiyya Jamaat, the community in Israel is always controlled by the Missionary, who is usually a Punjabi Qadiani, usually bearing Indian Passport, since a Pakistani is not allowed in Israel. The post of Missionary or Mubasshir, as he is usually called, is a very lucrative one, giving a lot of material benefits. Missionary in Israel was not any different in that sense and this had created a lot of harsh feelings among the qadianis of Kababeer. The last Missionary, Mr Kauther Qadiani from India, made a lot of money in the name of collecting chanda for the new mosque. Ordinary qadianis grew resentful and tired of financial offerings to the Missionary in charge who was more interested in filling his pockets than doing tabsheer. They complained to the London headquarter and Mr Kauther was disgracefully removed in the summer of 1997. These activities of Missioanries has resulted in the division of Jama'at into three factions in recent years: True Ahmadis - who are with the Missionaries and thus with the London Leadership. Ahmadies who are openly against Missionaries, but still respect the HQ. Ahmadies who are least bothered about the present day Jamaat in London. After the departure of Mr Kauther, a Palestinian, Mr. Falah Odeh, became a temporary Amir of the Israeli Jama'at. For a period of seven months, from June 1997 to Dec. 1997, there was no Missionary in Israel. In Dec 1997, a new young missionary, Mr. Baset Rasool Daar, arrived from India. He hailed from Kashmir and felt proud of his Jewish lineage, one of his parents being of Jewish descent. Missionary order Qadianis to kill their daughters: This new missionary who arrived at the end of 1997, was a young man, who speaks good English but knows only little Arabic. He had a uphill task of establishing the authority of Missionary-in-charge. Because of the dwindling population of Ahmadis, he ordered all Ahmadis to fill in the Ba'ait form again. Palestinians in Isreal, Ahmadis and non-Ahmadis have been living a life where they were comfortably intermixing with Muslims, who are totally ignorant of the real beliefs of Mirza Ghulam A Qadiani. The younger generation is more open minded, and mixed marriages were not uncommon. Soon this new missioanry discovered that some of the girls belonging to the Qadiani families are either engaged or married to Muslims living in other areas. One such person was M.A. Odeh who is the father of two grown up children. He is a born Qadiani, an Acamedician and a Contractor by profession. He had been a devout Ahmadi all his life and had previously taught at the Ahmadiyya School in Kababeer. His son is also a devoted Ahmadi and is close to the new missionary, Mr. Daar. When M.A. Odeh submitted the duly filled Ba'aith form for his family, Missionary refused to accept his Ba'aith form, until he forces his daughter to break the engagement with a Muslim. He asked the missionary what does he think of his son who is close to him. Missionary expressed his total satisfaction with the young ahmadi. M.A. then said that he gave the same upbringing to both his children, one chose to remain Ahmadi and the other chose to leave it. Missionary again asked him to force his daughter to break this engagement. When he expressed his inability to do that, to his utter dismay, missionary ordered him to kill his daughter. There was so much he can take. He started screaming at the missionary. The other person present tried to play down the whole issue by saying that the Missionary does not speak english well and perhaps there is some misunderstanding. But M.A., who himself speaks good English, said that Missionary speaks good English and there is no confusion what he is saying and that he wants me either to stop my daughter from getting married to a Muslim or kill her. Another Ahmadi had a similar experience. M.M.Odeh is an iron monger by profession and lives beside the Ahmadiyya Mosque. He is a born Ahmadi with three grown up daughters. When he took his Ba'aith form, missionary refused to accept it until he force his daughter to break her engagement with a Muslim. When he expressed his inability to do that, Missionary ordered him to kill his daughter. M.M. could not believe his ears. Similar incidents were reported with other Ahmadis whose daughters are engaged or married to Muslims. People are wondering what kind of a reformer/prophet Mirza was and what kind of Islam he is preaching? Holy Prophet Muhammad SAAW put an end to the killing of daughters by the pagan Arabs and this so-called prophet's missionaries are asking them to kill their daughters!!! While this controversy is continuing, a new, older Missionary, Mr. Mohammed Omar, has arrived from Qadian Indian, to contain the damage done by the militant approach of Mr. Baset Daar. [U]Dr. A.M. Odeh Dr. Syed Rashid Ali Anti Ahmadiyya Movement in Islam 5th June 1999 [/U]

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AW: ahmadiyya eine Anitahmaddiyya Propagandaseite zu zitieren, hilft da auch nicht weiter und ist auch nicht gerade sonderlich seriös für die Beweisaufnahme. Von der schlimmsten Sünde befreit dich das auch nicht und der Ablasshandel ist im Islam nicht vorgesehen, dass Du dich von diese grosse Sünde freikaufen kannst....das Höllenfeuer bleibt dir also im Jenseits nicht erspart, wohl aber ein Diesseitiger Scheiterhaufen:)

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AW: ahmadiyya Noch was Interessantes für die, die mehr über die Ahmadiyya-Sekte wissen möchten: [B]99 Names of Mirza Ghulam MIRZA - THE REINCARNATION OF HOLY PROPHET pbuh [/B] [B]Just as there are 99 names of Allah and Holy Prophet (pbuh), Hazrat Mir Muhammad Ismail Saheb Qadiani had prepared a list of 99 names of Mirza Ghulam. He says:[/B] "Yesterday while lying sick in my bed, a brain wave came that 99 names of Allah are mentioned in Hadith and 99 names of holy Prophet (pbuh) are also mentioned in books. Let us see Hazrat Maseeh Mow'ood has how many Divine Names, which God has given him? When I collected all of them they turn out to be 99 as well. There is a certain wisdom in these names therefore they are published for the benefit of friends: 1. Ahmad 2. Muhammad 3. Mahdi 4. Yaseen 5. Rasool 6. Mursil 7. Nabi-Allah 8. Nazeer 9. Mujaddid-e-Waqt 10. Muhaddith-Allah 11. Governor General 12. Hakum 13. Adul 14. Imam 15. Imam Mubarak 16. Ghulam Ahmad 17. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani 18. Mirza 19. Eisa 20. Maseeh 21. Maseeh Mow'ood 22. Maseeh-Allah 23. Maseeh-uz-Zaman 24. alShaikh alMaseeh 25. Maseeh Ibn Maryam 26. Maseeh-e-Muhammadi 27. Roohullah 28. Maryam 29. Ibne Maryam 30. Adam 31. Nooh 32. Ibrahim 33. Ismael 34. Jacob 35. Yusuf 36. Moosa 37. Haroon 38. Dawood 39. Sulaiman 40. Yahya 41. Jeriullah fi Hilal alAnbiya 42. Abdullah 43. Abdul Qader 44. Sultan Abdul Qader 45. Abdul Hakeem 46. Abdul Rahman 47. Abdul Raaf'a 48. Muhammad Mufleh 49. Zulqarnain 50. Salman 51. Ali 52. Mansoor 53. Hujjatullah AlQader 54. Sultan Ahmad Mukhtar 55. Hubbullah 56. Khaleelullah 57. Asadullah 58. Shafiullah 59. King of Aryans 60. Krishna 61. Rooder Gopal 62. Ameen-ul-Mulk Jai Singh Bahadur 63. Brahmen Autar 64. Aawahan 65. Mubarak 66. Sultan-ul-Qalam 67. Musroor 68. AlNajm-us-Saqib 69. Rahi-ul-Islam 70. Humi-ul-Islam 71. Ghalib 72. Mubasshir 73. Khair-ul-Anam 74. Asad 75. Sher-e-Khuda 76. Shahid 77. Khalifat-ullah asSultan 78. Noor 79. Amin 80. Rajul min Fares (Man from Persia) 81. Siraj-e-Muneer 82. Mutawakkel 83. Ashj'a-un-naas 84. Wali 85. Qamar 86. Shams 87. Awwal-ul-Mo'mineen 88. Salaamti-ka-Shezada (Prince of Peace) 89. Maqbool 90. Mard-e-Salamat 91. Al Haq 92. Dho-alBarkaat 93. Al Badr 94. Hajr-e-Aswad 95. Madinat-ul-'Ilm 96. Tayyeb 97. Maqbool-ur-Rehman 98. Kalimat-ul-Azal 99. Ghazi

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AW: ahmadiyya [B]Kleiner Vorgeschmack gefälligst? Gern:[/B] * Mirza Ghulam Ahmad hat 80 Bücher geschrieben, die seine Denkweise und Übrezeugungen bis ins Detail dokumentieren, hier einige zusammengefasste Punkte dazu (wer eine Übersetzung möchte, möge mich anschreiben, bin gern bereit euch die Texte zu übersetzen): :) I. Mirza Ghulam says (Extracts from Izala-e-Auham, Roohani Khazain, vol 3 pp.114-472): 1. Holy Prophet Mohammed(pbuh) did not understand the meaning of Surah AlZilzal. 2. Other Prophets have also made mistakes and lied. (Mirza trying to justify his false statements and unfulfilled prophecies - Author) 3. Hazrath Mohammad's Revelation also turned out to be wrong. 4. Revelation did not inform Hazrath Mohammad (pbuh) about Ibne Maryam, Dajjal, Khare Dajjal, Yajoog Majoog and Daabatul Ardh. 5. Braheen-e-Ahmadiyya is referred to as the Book of God in various other books by Mirza Ghulam eg. Roohani Khazain vol.22 p.502. 6. " 'Inna Anzalnaaho Qareeban min alQadian wa bil Haq anzalnaahu No doubt we have sent him (Mirza) near Qadian and with truth we have sent him'; . . . this revelation which has been published in Braheene Ahmadiyya as well, is clearly and loudly revealing that the name of Qadian is definitely mentioned in Quran or Hadith as a prophecy." 7. Names of Makkah, Madina and Qadian are mentioned with respect in Holy Quran. 8. Holy Quran is full of obscene words. {Mirza trying to justify his foul language that he used against his opponents II. Mirza Ghulam claimed that : 1. He was the second advent of Holy Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and better and superior than the first coming (Roohani Khazain vol 16 pp.272) 2. Holy Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) has come again in this world as Mirza Ghulam to propagate Islam. (Roohani Khazain vol.17 p.249) 3. Ahmadis should not differentiate between Mirza Ghulam and Hazrat Muhammad (pbuh) because "Anyone who differentiate between me and Mustafa (pbuh) has not seen me and not recognized me." (Roohani Khazain vol 16 pp.171). 4. Mirza's WAHI told him : "'Muhammadur Rasoolullah wallazeena ma'ahoo ashiddaohoo' ala alkuffar rohamao bainahum' in this Wahi God has named me Muhammad and Rasoolullah." (Roohani Khazain vol 18 pp.207) 5. Those who join Mirza's Jama'at becomes a SAHABI of Rasoolullah. (Roohani Khazain vol 16 pp.258-259) 6. Since Mirza Ghulam is none other than Holy Prophet Muhmmad (pbuh) himself, therefore when an Ahmadi recites KALIMA TAYYEBAH, by Muhammadur Rasoolullah he means Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani. (Kalimat al Fasl by Mirza Basheer Ahmad s/o Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani)

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AW: ahmadiyya [B][U]Mirza Ghulam Ahmad claimed that:[/U][/B] 1. He was Maseel Maseeh that is he has certain qualities which resemled like Eisa ibne Maryam (Roohani Khazain vol 1 p. 593). 2. Hazrat Eisa (pbuh) was the son of Yousuf Najjar (Roohani Khazain vol 3 pp. 254). 3. Hazrat Eisa is dead and he will not come again. (Rooahni Khazain vol.3 p.402) 4. Jesus (Hazrat Eisa) was a habitual liar, had a habit of uttering obscenities, an alcoholic, gluttunous and a wicked person, neither a pious man nor a seeker of truth, he was a proud man and a self-conceited person who claimed divinity. (Roohani Khazain vol 9 p.387, vol.11 p.289). 5. "The fact is that Hazrat Eisa did not perform any miracles." (Roohani Khazain vol 11 p. 290-291) 6. "Three grandmothers of Hazrat Eisa were FORNICATORS and PROSTITUTES, from whose blood the body of Jesus came into being." (Roohani Khazain 11 p.291) 7. "Hazrat Eisa had become insane due to epilepsy." (Roohani Khazain vol 9 p. 417) 8. "I wish Hazrat Eisa had not come in this world." (Roohani Khazain vol 9 p. 417) 9. "I am better than Eisa ibne Maryam." (Roohani Khazain vol 1 p.593) 10. "I have certain qualities resembling Jesus .....my nature and the nature of Jesus resembles so much as if two pieces of the same atom or like two seeds of the same tree." (Roohani Khazain vol.1 p.593)

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AW: ahmadiyya Und naja, eigentlich braucht man nur einen Satz lesen, und man weiß, dass die "Ahmdiyya" keine Muslime sind: Mirza Ghulam Ahmad schrieb: [B]"Wer nicht an Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani glaubt, ist ungehorsam gegenüber Gott und dem Propheten und kommt in die Hölle." (Advertisement by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad vom 25. Mai 1900) [/B]

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AW: ahmadiyya [QUOTE=SAMAYA;145685]Was sagt man dazu als Muslim, der der Sunnah des Propheten saws folgt? >>> Ja, richtig: [B]A3udu Billah! [/B][/QUOTE] bistu aba jans scheen angaschiert du

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AW: ahmadiyya Die Grundlage einer Diskussion macht die Stärke der Meinung eines Diskutanten aus. Wenn man keine Ahnung hat, dann am besten nicht diskutieren dafür lieber recherchieren, sich geistig bilden. Mit Dua dann sich einiges zutrauen und sich einer Diskussion anschicken. Bekanntlich lernt man nie aus! Nicht nur über sich selbst, sondern auch über die andere... Wieso sollten wir denn unwissend sein und die ganze Arbeit den anderen überlassen... Man soll selbst nachdenken, denn Allah wird nicht fragen, wer unser Lehrer/Iman war, oder was er gesagt hat, sondern Allah wird in unseren Herzen sehen, was wir da drin haben. Blind irgendwelchen Hass predigenden Sachen zu posten macht euch nicht zum mündige Menschen. Beweist eure eigene Mündigkeit indem ihr recherchiert - pro und con anstellt u euch dann eure Meinung bildet. Mir ist aufgefallen, dass hier sehr oft Teilwahrheit und üble Verleumdung erzählt wird…! z.B.: Zitat 1: „… Sie (Edit meinerseits: gemeint sind Ahmadi Muslime) bringen Leute zum Islam mit ihrer herzlichen Art. Sie sind gastfreundlich und verschenken auch gerne Sachen.“ Mit ihrer herzlichen Art… sie sind gastfreundlich

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AW: ahmadiyya Haha, bismillah :D bisher sehe ich nichts, was ich aus deinem Kommentar lernen könnte und widerlegen kannst du mich nicht, denn dann müsstest du Mirzu Ghulam Ahmad widerlegen,die Worte stammen von ihm und nicht von mir, ich habe ihn lediglich [B]zitiert[/B]. Und da ja seine Reden heilig sind für dich, wirst du nicht versuchen sie zu widerlegen. ;) Ich warte. :D

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AW: ahmadiyya [B][U]@RearView[/U][/B] Hab noch was schönes für dich, das müsstest du ja kennen: Ghulam Ahmad schrieb: "The basis for our claim is not Hadith but Quran and that [B]WAHI [/B]which comes to us. Yes in support we also quote those Hadith which are according to Quran and [B]DO NOT CONTRADICT MY WAHI[/B]. As for the [B]REST OF THE HADITHs, I THROW THEM AWAY LIKE A WASTE PAPER[/B]." (Roohani Khazain vol 19 p.140) und weiter schrieb er: "I am Adam , I am Noah, I am Abraham, I am Isaac, I am Jacob, I am Ishmael, I am Moses, I am Jesus son of Mary, I am Mohammad SAAW. . ." (Roohani Khazain vol 22, p.521) [B][I][U]ABER EIN MUSLIM, der an der Sunnah des Propheten hält weiß:[/U][/I][/B] [B] „Muhammad ist nicht der Vater irgend jemandes von euren Männern, sondern Allah’s Gesandter und der Letzte/das Siegel der Propheten. Und Allah weiß über alles Bescheid.“ (33 : 40 )[/B] Somit sind die sogenannten "Ahmadiyya" keine Muslime und haben mit dem Islam nichts am Hut. Und ebenso wenig sind sie es würdig den namen "Ahmadiyya" zu tragen, da dieser den Namen unseres geliebten Propheten Muhammad (Ahmad) beinhaltet.

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AW: ahmadiyya [QUOTE=RearView;146057] PS.: SAMYA, deine behauptungen werde ich widerlegen. Inshallah. dich und deinesgleichen bloßstellen. be aware!!![/QUOTE] Warum brauchst du solange um uns zu widerlegen? Wir haben eure Lehre in [B]5 Sekunden [/B]widerlegt - sprich [B]mit einem einzigen Satz[/B]. Warum brauchst du solange, wenn du doch davon überzeugt bist, dass ihr die Wahrheit sagt? :)

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AW: ahmadiyya Assalamu alaikum, [url]http://www.freewebs.com/darulhaqq/ahmadiyya.pdf[/url] Das hier sollte eigentlich reichen um zu sehen, wie die Sekte der Ahmadiya aufgebaut ist. Möge Allah swt uns bewahren

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